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>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  1 03:32:28 PST 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Danny Thomas)
Subject: Re: printf problem

>...
>The first line is the one that has given me a problem, in that I got
>garbage on the console. I then typecast the sizeof as below and things
>come out the correct way.
>  printf("| %-*.*s |\n", (int)sizeof(name), (int)sizeof(name), name);
>
>It seems that ANSI expects sizeof to an int, and Think C has it defined
>as unsigned long.

No, ANSI defines a new type called size_t capable of holding the size of
any object in memory. Depending on the memory model it could be unsigned
int, unsigned long, or maybe even something else.

The * precision specifier in the format string consumes an argument of type
int. Unfortunately few compilers check for the correspondence between the
arguments described in the format string and the supplied arguments so
there's no possibility for prototype-like automatic conversions.

An explicit int cast is needed - certainly for portability. And a macro is
no good because in nearly all other uses, sizeof must be left as size_t, at
least until any conversions required by context are performed.

cheers,
Danny Thomas  <[e-mail]>


>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  1 06:35:36 PST 1996
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 09:35:40 -0500
From: Phil Shapiro <[e-mail]>
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>Macintosh using Think C V7.0.3.
>I have encountered an issue which probably has a graceful solution, but I
>have yet to find it.
>
>        printf("| %-*.*s |\n", sizeof(name), sizeof(name), name);
>
>The first line is the one that has given me a problem, in that I got
>garbage on the console. I then typecast the sizeof as below and things come
>out the correct way.
>        printf("| %-*.*s |\n", (int)sizeof(name), (int)sizeof(name), name);
>
>It seems that ANSI expects sizeof to an int, and Think C has it defined as
>unsigned long.
>
>What is the solution here? More specifically, is there an option or a
>pre-processor flag that I should set to make Think C treat sieof as an int?
>I definately would appreciate some guidance if possible.

One possible "solution" that might work is to turn on 4 byte ints in
THINK C. This sidesteps the actual problem, which is passing sizeof to
printf() without casting, but it will most likely make THINK C behave
similar to whatever other compiler you happen to be using.

If you do turn this option on, be sure to rebuild the ANSI library with
the same setting. See "Building the ANSI Library" in the online reference
if you're not sure how to rebuild ANSI.

-phil
>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  1 15:49:57 PST 1996
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I occasionally get a strange behavior. I open a project. About half a
minute later, before I've done anything, the computer beeps and closes C.
No error msg.
At other times, it has hung (keyboard and mouse button) while I was
editting a source file - not sure if it was the same error.

I haven't been able to work out why this is happening. It happens once a
week or so, and doesn't seem related to previous history.

This AM it occurred 1st thing, before I'd done anything else. I had to
recreate my project to get over it.

Can anyone suggest what might be happening / how to stop it?

(I have C 8.0.3 on a 6100/60 PPC.)

>From [e-mail], [e-mail], Sat Apr  6 16:42:39 PST 1996
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Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles

 -----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.
You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
the info request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas
faxes coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note
that the best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5
pm EST (New York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax,
or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form
to them via smail (airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.  :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  Nicola du Plessis.
040696-l

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Nicola du Plessis and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Nicola du Plessis


>From [e-mail] Sat Apr  6 20:09:35 PST 1996
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From: Grant Rauscher <[e-mail]>
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Using Think C's MacTraps, toolbox calls for Offscreen Graphics Worlds
{GrafPtr, NewGWorld(...)} and for Process Manager calls such as Get
ProcessSerialNum (I'm not looking at the code) give link errors.  I'm
using System 7, shouldn't I be able to use the toolbox calls?  Do I need a
different MacTraps file?  (MacTraps2 doesn't help.)

Respond to :  [e-mail]

                                                - Grant

>From [e-mail] Sat Apr  6 20:39:50 PST 1996
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Message-ID: <n1383288390.69628@Rich Siegel>
Date: 6 Apr 1996 23:41:26 -0500
From: "Rich Siegel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Toolbox calls using Think C
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0

> Using Think C's MacTraps, toolbox calls for Offscreen Graphics Worlds
> {GrafPtr, NewGWorld(...)} and for Process Manager calls such as Get
> ProcessSerialNum (I'm not looking at the code) give link errors.  I'm
> using System 7, shouldn't I be able to use the toolbox calls?  Do I need a
> different MacTraps file?  (MacTraps2 doesn't help.)

All of those calls are trap-based, and don't generally require any glue.
However, you need to compile with <MacHeaders> or the relevant Toolbox
headers included. If you haven't already, try turning on strict
prototype enforcement with prototypes required; you'll probably start
getting compile errors for the traps that you're using and getting link
errors for.

Regards,

R.

--
Rich Siegel                          Evil Commercial Text Editor Guru
Bare Bones Software, Inc.                        [e-mail]


>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  8 01:57:09 PDT 1996
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To:      [e-mail]

-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for
more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More
Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.  You will
get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info
request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
 if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes
coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the
best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New
York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have
a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail
(airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  John Chen.
040896-l-ifo

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is John Chen and I recently started using a magazine subscription
club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your
first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.    They have over
1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a
selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for most every
area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of
what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people buy
magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or
hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to make
it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper than all
their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers
themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half their business
comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak
limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less
than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times,
just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.  They
assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a
special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a charge
for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that
varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you
personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has
one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on
setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't
want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future orders (after your
first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas, he
will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still
makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance
rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had a
2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could
join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you
call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new members  the
same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff.  I am
not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is
the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he
sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

John Chen




>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  8 09:23:49 PDT 1996
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Subject: Magazine Offer -- StopIt !!!!!!!!!!!

Please put a stop to all offers from the Magazine Club Inquiry Center out
of the Staten Island area!  Note that the users posting this junk do not
have a valid IP address.  If you can not stop the junk mail, please remove
from this mailing list.

Thanks,
Tom

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>From [e-mail] Mon Apr  8 12:33:58 PDT 1996
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                                          CTB and scroll bars
                                          1:26 PM             4/8/96
I have been writing a terminal program that uses the CTB and can't get the
scroll bars functioning properly. Part of my confusion stems from the fact that
I am not sure whether the Terminal manager or the Window manager handles them.
Any assistance and/or sample code would be greatly appreciated.

>From [e-mail] Tue Apr  9 09:29:49 PDT 1996
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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:35:27 PDT
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From: "Mark D. Nagel" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 08 Apr 1996 09:29:44 PDT Tom Kindle wrote:

    Please put a stop to all offers from the Magazine Club Inquiry Center out
    of the Staten Island area!  Note that the users posting this junk do not
    have a valid IP address.  If you can not stop the junk mail, please remove
    from this mailing list.

As was recently mentioned, I can not easily stop a class of messages
from appearing on the list.  Clearly, the senders are intent on
spamming from lots of different invalid addresses.  I will examine the
logs to attempt to find the true source and lean on their ISP to kick
them off.  If I find the ISP, I will let you all know so you can also
apply pressure as you see fit.  There is little I can do technically,
though.  This is a social problem.

Mark
>From [e-mail] Tue Apr  9 09:43:21 PDT 1996
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Apparently, the last two messages were injected at netcom and AOL,
respectively.  There is no evidence to suggest that the senders are
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some plan to silently reject these messages...

Mark
>From [e-mail] Tue Apr  9 10:14:49 PDT 1996
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I'd like to take a moment to thank Mark for putting up with the spammers
and the complainers.  It's not easy moderating a list.


>From [e-mail] Thu Apr 11 18:39:29 PDT 1996
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Subject: How do I covert Think C library into .o files

Hi...  Is it possible to convert a think C Library into a .o file
that can be used to link into an MPW program?

I know there is a .o converter translator in my Think C 7.0 development
system,  but I am clueless as to how to use it.    Has anyone got any
experience on how to us this?    What is a translator?   Please
understand that I'm not that adept at this and need step by step
instructions on how to convert a Think C library into a .o file...

Now I understand fully why Apple Computer is about to go "belly up",
SHIT!!  Nobody wants to have to put up with this shit when developing
Macintosh applications.   This is really fucked.

Crunchman


>From [e-mail] Fri Apr 12 06:34:08 PDT 1996
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To quote John Draper,

> Hi...  Is it possible to convert a think C Library into a .o file
> that can be used to link into an MPW program?

Yes, or at least it was with TC 7.x; I don't know about 8.x.

> I know there is a .o converter translator in my Think C 7.0 development
> system,  but I am clueless as to how to use it.    Has anyone got any
> experience on how to us this?    What is a translator?   Please
> understand that I'm not that adept at this and need step by step
> instructions on how to convert a Think C library into a .o file...

Read the Think C Manuals?

> Now I understand fully why Apple Computer is about to go "belly up",
[expletives expunged]

Perhaps you could explain how a third party product--Think C 7.0--is
related to the media hype about Apple's problems?  The problem you
have run into--albeit a real problem--is not Apple's problem, it's
Symantec's.  It is also a problem for which they provide a solution.

        -=Alan
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>
>Perhaps you could explain how a third party product--Think C 7.0--is
>related to the media hype about Apple's problems?  The problem you
>have run into--albeit a real problem--is not Apple's problem, it's
>Symantec's.  It is also a problem for which they provide a solution.
>


That is true, but if the perception is that the third party solutions
available for the Mac don't work, then it is, in a round about way, Apple's
problem too.

Of course it never helps to have people spout off about things when the
real problem is their own.

ken


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Subj:    Fantastic Free Offer I found on the net
Date:    96-04-25 18:48:53 EDT
From:    Lewisarons
To:      Lewisarons

To: [e-mail]

-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for
more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More
Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.  You will
get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info
request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

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NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
 if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes
coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the
best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New
York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have
a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail
(airmail or first class mail).
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REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  Lewis Arons.
040896-l-ifo

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Lewis Arons and I recently started using a magazine subscription
club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your
first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.    They have over
1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a
selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for most every
area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of
what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people buy
magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or
hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to make
it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper than all
their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers
themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half their business
comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak
limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less
than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times,
just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.  They
assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a
special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a charge
for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that
varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you
personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has
one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on
setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't
want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future orders (after your
first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas, he
will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still
makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance
rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had a
2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could
join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you
call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new members  the
same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff.  I am
not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is
the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he
sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Lewis Arons



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To: Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (Owen Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Fantastic Free Offer I found on the net

How to stop this jerk?

Maybe we can fill his fax machine with the tripe he has been sending us?
Send him tons of blank pages to go through? Is there a local internet fax
sender to him? Since he left a way to get at him, maybe we should take
advantage of his "free offer"

-Owen

P.S. Boy, does this jerk aggravate me.



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REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name: Alfred E. Neuman
Internet email address: Don't even think of email bombing again
Smail home address: San Quentin
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #: [phone]
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
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